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05 May 2013 @ 02:52 pm
The Crimson Horror  
Thought the episode was silly and fun; am probably more excited about the last scene than about anything else in the episode, though. Because time travelers getting caught in photos from the past is actually one of my favorite things, and I always want it to happen more often in stories than it does. Also, I love it when characters do research. Yay Artie and Angie. Just don't get hurt or anything, okay? Also, Clara saw a picture of herself in Victorian London, which she knows isn't right - I wonder whether that will have ramifications (will it spur her into remembering what the Doctor told her in "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS"?), or if it's just for the audience's benefit?

If I were in a meta headspace, I might have more to say about the fact that the Doctor is described over and over again (yet again) as a monster, besides "that is a thing that happened." But it did happen, so.

Also, Clara is the boss. Yup. We didn't get much Clara/Doctor interaction this episode, but what we did get was adorable. I like that the Doctor seems to have gone - for the moment - from wondering who or what Clara is, to simply acknowledging that he has no idea ("Doctor! You didn't explain!" "...No.").
Emily-- Toppington von Monocle: eleven [doctor who]sadcypress on May 5th, 2013 07:03 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! The Doctor's attitude has completely changed towards Clara since last week- he seems to finally trust that she, whoever she may be, isn't willfully deceiving him, and that's good enough for him.
tempestsarekind: clara/tea OTPtempestsarekind on May 5th, 2013 07:06 pm (UTC)
I'm just really enjoying their dynamic (while simultaneously being afraid that something is going to happen to ruin it for me), and the Doctor's finally seeming to *trust* her is the icing on that cake. He's been tender toward her all along, enchanted by her and flustered by her, so it's nice to see him trust her, too.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 5th, 2013 09:51 pm (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not in the minority in welcoming Arte and Angie to the mix. It could have been a little less contrived--they saw the TARDIS come and go --and maybe that IS the reason they started checking the Internet. But I'm happy too, and I admit selfishly as a Grandma as now my Grandchildren can look at Who and have --I hope-- some positive images they can identify with.

Edited at 2013-05-06 12:24 am (UTC)
tempestsarekind: martha jones is a startempestsarekind on May 6th, 2013 01:06 am (UTC)
Funny - I actually prefer that Angie and Artie found out the way that they did! Seeing the picture of Clara from 1983 and then following up on it means that they had to be clever, and tenacious, *and* they had to be willing to believe in time travel rather than simply shrugging off what they saw as coincidence. So I really like that they didn't have any impetus besides their own brains.

But I liked them in "Bells," so I'm glad they're coming back!
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 6th, 2013 01:15 am (UTC)
Hmmm, possible questionable privacy ethics issue. Is there just one PC in the house? If they just stumbled on the picture of Clara on the Internet and started investigating okay--other wise you have two kids spying on their Nanny and Mom's old friend. I don't want my kids or grand-kids fiddling around with my internet history, or email.

I really didn't get to "Know" them in Bells, and was disappointed that they seemed more background, so I'm happy that they will have some substance and adventures. I had secretly hoped that someone would do little Rory/Melody/Amelia adventures.
tempestsarekind: clara/tea OTPtempestsarekind on May 6th, 2013 01:20 am (UTC)
Artie has a line about how he found the first picture at school, so I don't think they were looking through Clara's personal files. (Also, they have a picture of Victorian Clara, which modern-day Clara wouldn't have had, since she was surprised to see it - "I wasn't in Victorian London, I was in Victorian Yorkshire!")
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 6th, 2013 01:23 am (UTC)
Artie has a line about how he found the first picture at school Yeah we were laughing about that in another thread he indicated the picture of Clara on the Russian Submarine. Where does he go to school Mi-6 prep? Or was that picture of them as Ghost Busters?
tempestsarekindtempestsarekind on May 6th, 2013 06:00 am (UTC)
Ha, yes - one does wonder how on earth he just stumbled across a photograph apparently taken inside a top-secret Cold War submarine...
teliesin: TCteliesin on May 6th, 2013 10:13 am (UTC)
One thing that is still bugging me about this episode, why was the Doctor trying to go to Victorian London? I mean it could have been any time and might have been after the Snowmen. If it was before Snowmen or during the time the other Clara or himself were there?
tempestsarekind: eleventempestsarekind on May 6th, 2013 06:20 pm (UTC)
If we take his reply to Clara seriously - "I...thought you might like it" - then perhaps he's trying to see whether anything about it seems familiar to her in some way? So it wouldn't have to be that precise time period of "The Snowmen," just the period/place in general.
teliesinteliesin on May 6th, 2013 11:17 pm (UTC)
Looked it up Snowmen was Christmas 1892. So you are right he might have just wanted to see how she liked it, or if she felt at home. I'm glad she wants to see more of time and space.
tempestsarekindtempestsarekind on May 7th, 2013 03:03 am (UTC)
Yes - and I like that the Doctor just dropped Clara off at home, no big deal: she has a life she wants to keep in touch with, as well as traveling with him.
Gileonnengileonnen on May 6th, 2013 02:38 am (UTC)
Can I just say, I LOVED that this episode had no fewer than FOUR women directly saving the Doctor? And that Clara could bash things with chairs (and avoid getting caught in an electric current, how clever) and that was COMPLETELY OKAY? And that Jenny and Madame Vastra could be married lesbians and have adventures and trust each other to be capable and independent and it WASN'T A BIG DEAL? More of these episodes, please!
tempestsarekind: come along pondstempestsarekind on May 6th, 2013 05:59 am (UTC)
Yes! The Doctor got rescued, and his response was basically, "oh, well done!" Then Jenny defended him physically, and he went "yay!" And there was the poor fainting Victorian...man, who couldn't deal with any of the strange goings-on. *And* Ada got to go off and be clever and splendid, instead of dying tragically (possibly in service of saving the Doctor)! A very good showing.