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24 May 2010 @ 09:07 pm
Watched bits and pieces of the Confidential episode for "The Hungry Earth." And now I'm all sad about the scene they cut out! It's exactly the sort of quiet character moment I love.
Emily-- Toppington von Monocle: eleven wall [doctor who]sadcypress on May 25th, 2010 01:24 am (UTC)
My thoughts exaaaaaaaactly. It's a pity they don't tend to put cut scenes on the dvd, either.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 25th, 2010 05:59 am (UTC)
We're not going to get the Hungry Earth for three weeks in the USA. This weekend should have been Amy's Choice, but it's Memorial Day, so we're getting Season Five up to the Vampires and Star Trek Generations. I like Picard, so I'm good with that.

But We don't get the Confidential -- we get inside look, but they are as detailed as the Confidetials. They are more like sound bites.
tempestsarekind: martha at the globetempestsarekind on May 25th, 2010 04:09 pm (UTC)
I don't know exactly what BBC America is airing in terms of behind-the-scenes stuff, but the Confidential Cut-Downs on the DVDs annoy me: not that I necessarily want to watch the full 45 minutes of "and this is how we made this alien..." but, based on the few full episodes of Confidential that I've seen, they always cut out the bits I'd want to see in favor of some long segment about the Mill's CGI!

And really, given how expensive the DVDs are, I think they could stand to include all of Confidential for viewers in the US.
Emily-- Toppington von Monocle: eleven [doctor who]sadcypress on May 25th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
I think there do tend to be some licensing issues- they use a lot of current pop music over clips that they probably only have the rights to use in the UK, but, seriously. It's no excuse for cutting the Confidentials down to almost nothing. As soon as I realized how much they'd been cut, I stopped watching them on the DVDs altogether, which is a waste.
tempestsarekind: eleven and amytempestsarekind on May 25th, 2010 04:42 pm (UTC)
I know--I'm not that fussed about the music, and they could replace it with something else if it's that crucial. But--from 45 minutes to ten or fifteen? Ridiculous. (I was really, really annoyed--being me--about the Confidential for "Last of the Time Lords," which I did watch in full: there was all sorts of thinky stuff about Ten and Martha in it, and the cut-down was all about David Tennant in a harness.)
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 26th, 2010 04:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, I love that confidential, even with David admitting that the Doctor never quite accepts Martha. I loved the commentary as well. There is a cute bit where John Barrowman compliments Freema and it goes over her head. It was just so sweet. I loved the commentary in the Lazarus experiment too; Mark makes this little "Ewwww" comment about the Doctor still being hung up on Rose.
tempestsarekind: ten and marthatempestsarekind on May 26th, 2010 05:12 pm (UTC)
Yes, I loved it too. And I really appreciated that admission, in a way--because at least there was some *awareness* of the situation there. (Also, I just liked the bit where David points out that Martha's dazzled by the Doctor, but he's pretty dazzled by her too.)

viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 26th, 2010 06:41 pm (UTC)
That was rather lovely of him to admit; I think fans felt that the Doctor gave Martha mixed signals, and David confirms that. It was a comfort to know that the actors were working portray the traits we perceived--even the things we recognized and didn't like. David's interpretation made more sense than Davies saying later the Doctor didn't understands he was being insenstitive because he was alienHe behaved very like a human did in expressing and acting out his own pain. Most veteran Science Fictgion writers will tell fans that the trick to writing a believable alien is understanding, as Kirk said in that last TOS Trek movie --everyone is human. Writers cannot write any emotions or behavior that is not reflected in one of our many societies. David in season Three did a very good job of projecting that if there is anything bigger than my ego on this ship, shoot it kind of arrogance I think all of us express to some extent when we are IN LOVE. Adultery and other betrayals wouldn't be possible if we didn't indulge this kind of selfishness, although it doesn't "feel" selfish at the time. Ten and Rose certainly reflected that Romeo and Juliet type of Who or what can possibly be more important than what we feel? vibe, not just with Martha but with Mickey and Jack. Ten and Rose were cute to the point of being smug and boderline obnoxious when we get those "daddy-O" "Ghostbusters" scenes in Season Two--but people in love often are so wrapped up in each other they just can't imagine anyone not taking the delight in seeinf them together that they feel in being together. And David is clear that it is not anything Martha lacks, because she doesn't lack anything, but that Ten is broken0-hearted over Rose and doesn't know how to let go of the pain. There was the discussion a few weeks ago about Passive Agressive behavior. The Doctor with Martha displays a classic symptom. He is a lonely, rather broken individual, in deep need--not only of company but therapy--but he doesn't want to admit his need, or expose himself to the person he's with, so he holds on to her by making her think her efforts are not quite good enough, or he doesn't really need her. David doesn't go as far as saying the Doctor's treatment of Martha is abusive, but after watching BBC drama for ages, one wonders if Brits and Yanks define certain emotional abuse in the same way, or have that need we USA Americans have to "fix" things?
tempestsarekind: ten and martha have three hearts betweentempestsarekind on May 26th, 2010 07:03 pm (UTC)
Yes; it was a nice bit of confirmation, particularly given RTD's "sweep all the subtext under the rug" method of storytelling and giving interviews, which both suggest or tell us that the Doctor can't be blamed because he just doesn't understand what's going on.

I do think that the Ten and Rose comparison is unfair to Romeo and Juliet, though. :) Romeo still has a good time with his friends after getting married to Juliet, and they're hoping for inclusion; Ten and Rose shut people out, but Romeo and Juliet keep having their avenues blocked by society. I don't really see them as selfish; they just live in a society that doesn't give them any options, as they see it.
tempestsarekind: ten and marthatempestsarekind on May 25th, 2010 04:06 pm (UTC)
I know! They did put some cut scenes on the S3 DVD set (there's a brief one from "The Lazarus Experiment" that I always think is *in* the episode as it aired!), so I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but still.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 26th, 2010 07:19 pm (UTC)
don't really see them as selfish; they just live in a society that doesn't give them any options, as they see it. Looking at School Days, Ten wanted to include Sarah Jane. I got miffed when Rose had the audacity to invite Sarah Jane, as if the Doctor needed her okay, so I was over the moon when Sarah suggested Mickey go. That was priceless. Romeo and Juliet -- alhh that deserves a article of it's own. But I'm recalling the Priest telling Romeo about blessings and patience</b>. No Rose and Ten didn't have society against them.
Moving on:
As I'm not going to see the confidential....Well, not unless it shows up on Youtube, could you share a bit of the quiet moment with us, and why you liked it?
tempestsarekind: amy pondtempestsarekind on May 26th, 2010 10:02 pm (UTC)
Well, it's a little bit tricky to tell what's going on in the scene, because they didn't include the whole thing, and they kept cutting back to the film editors, who were explaining why they cut it out. But it seems to have been just after Rory goes back to the TARDIS, and Amy and the Doctor have a chat about him, and about Amy. I liked it for a couple of reasons: one is that the Doctor seems rather worried about Rory, and suggests that they go back for him instead of letting him just catch up; and the other is that the Doctor (finally) says, "I like Rory. A lot." Which was nice to hear! :)