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18 May 2010 @ 01:58 pm
more random amy thoughts, plus some on eleven  
I read something on someone else's journal a little while ago, and I really wish I could remember whose, because it helped me to articulate my feelings about Amy.

The thing that I think is odd about her, for me, is that her actions seem reasonable to me, but I can't pinpoint exactly why I should think that. Or--as I do remember saying to thepresidentrix--I like her, but I don't quite know her.

And I think it's to do with storytelling. With RTD's characters, you knew who they were really quickly, in part because he bounced them off of their controlling/nagging mothers and deadbeat boyfriends so we could understand what they were "getting away" from. He set up a shorthand in their first episode so that by the end of it, we knew who they were.

And Moffat hasn't done that with Amy. She doesn't have family to be bounced off of; she doesn't really have anyone from her past except Rory. So I find myself extrapolating from what I know about her childhood and what I can imagine, and most importantly from what she does. I feel like RTD set things up so that you could look at, say, Donna's behavior and say whether or not that fit the character he'd constructed, whereas with Amy I have to use her behavior to construct her character.

I never actually posted properly about "Vampires of Venice," but if I had, I would have posted about that "showdown with the villain" scene (which I really, really liked), and how it helped me to get a bit more of a grasp on Eleven. Matt Smith is so young, and so's his Doctor--all twirly and vulnerable and shambling, like some newborn animal who doesn't quite have the use of his limbs all worked out yet, but is full of so much energy that he can't stop moving, all the same--but sometimes he nails those flashes of incredible age, in the Doctor's eyes and attitude. They know each other, Rosanna and the Doctor, for all that they've never met--and he doesn't have to rage like Ten would have (like, say, with the queen of the Racnoss); he can tease and be genial--and he's all the more alien for it. (It's interesting; Ten was most alien when he was cold: "no second chances," his "fire and ice and rage" at the end of "Family of Blood"; Eleven strikes me as most alien when he's almost delighted, when he's enjoying things that no rational human would, when he's loving the challenge instead of fearing the danger. When he's courtly and calm instead of angry.) (There needs to be a better adjective for "like a courtier" than "courtly," because "courtly" is so attached to courtly love, which isn't what I mean, there. What I mean is that he's calculating, judging, thinking--but loving the game.)
 
 
 
La Reine Noire: Bridge of Sighslareinenoire on May 18th, 2010 06:12 pm (UTC)
Machiavellian? Again, not quite the right word, but possibly with different connotations?

And, yes, I completely agree with how Eleven's otherworldliness comes out in his smile -- he did the same thing in 'Amy's Choice' right before the opening credits.
tempestsarekind: eleven and amytempestsarekind on May 18th, 2010 06:24 pm (UTC)
Clearly I just need a bigger vocabulary. Bah, words. "Machiavellian" is maybe a little too...scheming? But something like that.

I loved that excited moment of "Something's not right here. Let's go poke it with a stick." That's very much the Doctor--all of them (or at least all the ones I know), not just Eleven--but I feel like I'm seeing it in Eleven as though after a long absence. Which is fun.
La Reine Noire: Vergillareinenoire on May 18th, 2010 06:33 pm (UTC)
Well, with Ten it seemed perpetually mixed up with his insistent need to control/fix whatever was wrong. With Eleven, you mostly get the sense that he's curious and wants to, well, poke things with sticks. Which makes Amy's line about how the Doctor fixes everything (and her subsequent realisation that he can't) all the more interesting to me.

But, yeah, I see what you mean about 'courtly' not quite working and 'Machiavellian' having too many negative connotations. Possibly 'politic'?
tempestsarekind: ten has a secrettempestsarekind on May 18th, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
I think that S2 Ten had some of those moments where he just thought something was wonderful without the need to do anything--but S3 Ten, for me, is summed up mostly by the scene on the moon in "Smith and Jones," where Martha is amazed by how beautiful it all is, and Ten says, "You think?"--a bit as though he's forgotten that, and is seeing it through her eyes. And then it comes back a bit in S4 with Donna, maybe.