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12 May 2010 @ 04:25 pm
in which I am shockingly unobservant  
Oh my goodness, Rory is Tip.

No, seriously, Rory is Tip Dorrit. How is that even possible???

I knew that Arthur Darvill had been in Little Dorrit, but there are, like, seven million people in that miniseries, so I assumed he was someone I wasn't remembering. I just... what. I know this to be a fact, and I still can't make my brain accept it.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 12th, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
My goodness, it is the same actor. Amy's family were not my favorite people
tempestsarekind: little dorrittempestsarekind on May 13th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
No, nor mine! But I'm quite impressed by Arthur Darvill now, because I wouldn't have associated (and clearly didn't associate!) his lovable Rory with the awful and unpleasant Tip.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 13th, 2010 06:25 pm (UTC)
Oh they were a nightmare. Most certainly a Cinderella story but these were her relatives. As I understand it, Dickens, as a child had to work in his Uncle's sweat shop to help his family out of debt, and once the debt was paid he was still made to work, so I have to wonder at the sincerity behind Harriet's (Tattycoram) pentinence at the novel. Not Harriet's sincerity; but Dickens. The discription of Tattycoram sounds as if they suspected she was Roma, and we have this exeggerated passion and temper, associated with dark hair.
Have you read the novel? I'm sorry they didn't allow Freema her final scene on the boat with the Meagle parents. I really liked that little side story in the book. What Meagles called "praticality" was really him being cheap -- at least from the outside looking in. He and Mrs. Meagle were moved by the singing of the orphans at Coram orphanage to adopt a child, but instead of a true adoption they choose a child, younger than Pet to become Pet's maid. But Meagles truly loved Harriet, so it was sad/ironic (more sad) that he did not make her his daughter, but choose instead to be practical and make her his daughters maid. But she behaved more the daughter in the end, even with Meagles telling her that Amy was the perfect picture of Victoria womanhood: humble and accepting...Ahem. I don't know if Harriet had an grant or not, but from what I've read, because Coram House was a celebrity charity, many of the young women had modest dowries and were allowed training (As ladies maids, or housekeepers, clerks so at fifteen they could find work or could make a decent marraige. I think if they married the money went to their husbands and there was speculation that men took advantage of this. The Meagles took Harriet away from the orphanage when she was young enough that she had not finished schooling and any grant could kick in.
tempestsarekind: books and flowerstempestsarekind on May 14th, 2010 12:32 am (UTC)
I haven't read the novel, though I hope to at some point. Re: Dickens' childhood, I vaguely remember reading about Dickens having to affix labels onto bootblack bottles...? And I didn't know any of that about the orphanage--thank you!

But I did wonder, while watching the adaptation, about the suddenness with which Tattycoram's plotline was resolved, so it's interesting to hear that there was a final scene in the novel that didn't make it to film.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 14th, 2010 01:30 am (UTC)
I would not go as far as to say it was one of Dicken's best or worst. It deals more with feelings and it is a "satire" as in opinion or criticism, not comedy. And like the mini-series, much of the action is not ever fully explained, which is why trying to understand some of the missing parts I investigated both the Coram Home and the debtor's prison system. Dickens was very obviously trying to work out some of his childhood demons with Amy's family. But in this case, he makes Amy female, so that her acceptance of her lot is more believable. The Coram orphanage was famous because the children performed Handel's Messiah, I believe -- have to double check -- which was written for them. The way I understood the history of the insitution, it was one of the "better" orphanages; In the novel it seems that the Meagles brought Harriet home to become their maid before she was at the age when they would HAVE to hire her, therefore pay her. Mister Meagle saw his actions as both benificent, as he gave Harriet a home, and practical, as he had an unpaid servant for his daughter; She was more ornamental than anything, but she was indeed her maid -- and sometimes sister. It was very confusing for Harriet. But this was Victorian times so Harriet with her dark beauty, and abundance of hair was supposed to represent the opposite of Amy, with her humble appearance, and her acceptance, and her refusal to bring attention to any unfairness. After all they could have left her at the orphanage where she would have been educated, had ture employement and a small dowry to bring to a marriage. Once Pet married, really what was there for Harriet to do? There is a novel called Tattycoram which is about Dickens maid, whom they said the character was based on, but I haven't read it.
tempestsarekind: books and flowerstempestsarekind on May 14th, 2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
I see. It's always interesting, the bits authors think don't need explaining--perhaps because they were common knowledge at the time.

Now that you mention it, I vaguely remember hearing about that novel, once. Huh.
viomisehuntviomisehunt on May 15th, 2010 07:14 pm (UTC)
It was written as a serial, and it has that feel to it. Mrs. Wade is given some interesting things to say about prison and society. And Victorians thought their times pretty well fixed. I think I read that they were beginning to dissolve the debtor prison arrangement when Dickens wrote Little Dorrit.
Biographers write that because of having to work to clear his father's debt and having to work after the family left the prison, Dickens was always haunted and terrified of debt. Then again it gave him that social conscience he is famous for.

Coram still appears to exist, not as a home but as an organization.

Then there is Coram Boy which I hope makes it across the pond.
tempestsarekind: margaret hale does laundrytempestsarekind on May 15th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
That sounds familiar--in one of the 19th-century novel courses I took, we watched a bit of a documentary about Dickens, and it talked about his childhood and how it shaped his social conscience.

I keep meaning to read the book Coram Boy--a YA librarian recommended it to me once when we got into a conversation about The Shakespeare Stealer--but I didn't know it had been made into a play!
stoplookingup: All Creatures Great and Smallstoplookingup on May 12th, 2010 11:33 pm (UTC)
OH YEAH! I knew he looked familiar!
tempestsarekind: arthur clennam [little dorrit]tempestsarekind on May 13th, 2010 05:26 pm (UTC)
And I didn't think he looked familiar at all. :) Even when I went back to look at him as Tip, I still couldn't *quite* see it.