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27 February 2010 @ 08:01 pm
boo grr why still having this conversation?  
One oft-repeated fandom comment that will instantly bring out the claws and the stabbing eye-pain: "Martha should have been so cool, I thought she was going to be so cool and intelligent and everything, and then she just fell in love with the Doctor."

Do I really have to say it? Being in love with someone does not make you unintelligent. It does not make you less cool or less "kick-ass," unless of course the only definition of "kick-ass" we are willing to entertain is one that involves feeling no emotions. Because that's what soppy girls do. I mean, you don't have to have wanted Martha to fall in love with the Doctor, or be happy about the way that plotline played out. That's fine. But to say that a character is somehow less because she loves? What is THAT?

...Well, it's crap, is what it is. And seriously, what part of "saving the world every bloody week" is not "cool"? The fact that Martha loves the Doctor but isn't blinded by him, puts that aside to do what needs doing? Only makes me love her even more. This meme of "Martha never did anything but moon about over the Doctor" is pure and total crap from beginning to end, and it makes me so mad, because it's not even just about Martha--it's about what we allow in and expect from our heroines, and that is so, so limiting, to suggest that love is weak and worthless and makes it impossible for someone to be amazing.
Magistrix Texan: KEEP CALM.erstwhiletexan on February 28th, 2010 02:43 am (UTC)

tempestsarekind: keep calm and rock ontempestsarekind on February 28th, 2010 07:46 pm (UTC)
It always makes me very happy!
litlover12 on February 28th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
Preach it, sister!

And I've never even watched "Doctor Who." :-) But I've heard it in regard to other shows and stories, and it's so untrue and unfair and JUST SO BLOODY ANNOYING.
tempestsarekind: martha londontempestsarekind on February 28th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
It doesn't even make any sense! I mean, presumably the majority of people who watch TV or read books have loved someone in the course of their lives, romantically or otherwise. Are we all losers? I certainly don't think so!
stoplookingup: martha shadowstoplookingup on February 28th, 2010 04:26 am (UTC)
What I find to be even more horrible about "Martha should have been so cool, I thought she was going to be so cool and intelligent and everything, and then she just fell in love with the Doctor," is that what they really mean is, "...and the Doctor didn't love her back." Rose fell in love with the Doctor. Why is she any less cool for it? Because she wasn't rejected. What they're really saying is, "There's nothing more pathetic than a rejected woman."

tempestsarekind: ten and marthatempestsarekind on February 28th, 2010 07:49 pm (UTC)
That's true. Possibly you do get some of this from people who didn't like that Rose fell in love with the Doctor either, and think that makes Rose weak too, but mostly I've seen a separation drawn between Rose's falling in love with the Doctor, and Martha's.
La Reine Noire: Wimminz!lareinenoire on February 28th, 2010 03:12 pm (UTC)
What annoys me even more is that Rose did the same thing and you don't get those same people complaining about her!

Martha rocks. :)
tempestsarekind: martha jones is a startempestsarekind on February 28th, 2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
Indeed! The argument seems flawed in so many ways. :)