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04 January 2010 @ 02:42 am
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So I've now read enough about the second part of "The End of Time," and have seen enough clips, to think I would be better off if I just skipped the rest of it, because I'm already just angry about what I've seen. It's just--

So I watched the bit where he goes back and visits people (and the regeneration), and it's all so...stretched-out and self-pitying and, ugh. I guess he's already 'dying' from something I couldn't be bothered to find out about (I saw part 1 and was mightily unimpressed, particularly by the sheer stupid of the Master's plan for world domination apparently being a setup for a cheap line about the "Master race"), so maybe that's why he's being all mopey and saving people but then being ridiculously depressed about having done so, and being able to muster the slightest bit of anything that looks like happiness only for Rose, but. My main problem isn't the total fail (race fail as well as plotting fail) of Martha/Mickey, it's not that Donna's ending doesn't get fixed, it's not the WTF? of Jack/Alonzo Frame, it's not even the maudlin way that Russell seems to have written Ten's ending as an ending for himself and possibly David ("I don't want to go"--dude, you're going to be the same guy on the other side, isn't that the whole point of, among other things, "The Christmas Invasion"?). I mean, I'm sad that Donna still won't know how awesome she was, or get to be awesome again even without those memories (that's the expectation I didn't know I still had, if you were wondering), and I'm angry that I don't even want to watch the last episode of a Doctor I actually loved a fair bit, in between all the hair-pulling. But--I was almost kind of ready for that after part 1. The Ood kept saying that Ten's song was ending, but what with the Master's Day-Glo skull intruding every five seconds, I didn't feel a thing. I'd hoped I might, but aside from that conversation in the cafe between Wilf and Ten (in which DT did manage to break my heart a bit, when he breaks down about the events of "The Waters of Mars"), I was mostly upset that I'd spent my time watching. So I decided to read about part 2 before committing to it--and what I read indicated that I probably shouldn't.

Which leaves one detail in part 2 that I did feel something about. You know me; I'm a Martha fangirl. And I should have been thrilled to see her, and I wasn't. And it's not even the "let's fob her off on Mickey" thing that really, really makes me the *most* upset. (Though, seriously--she was engaged to a totally different person the last time we saw her. And apparently Russell is saying that he did it because he thought it would be funny to have Martha, who was introduced in an episode called "Smith and Jones," be Martha Smith-Jones. That is the ONLY reason. I want to slap him.)

It's this: "No weapons, just words." Remember that? Because I do. I remember Martha telling stories to save the world; I remember the woman who faced down the Master armed with nothing but a laugh and a story to spin out. I remember the medical student who was horrified and saddened by the fact that she'd taken lives, even out of necessity, in "Evolution of the Daleks." I remember Doctor Jones who might have been working for UNIT but was still a doctor--"Besides, look at me. Am I carrying a gun?" And Russell threw that away, for no reason I can see. No reason at all--because the stupid flipping Sontaran resistance will still need doctors, too, Rusty. Martha Jones, who spent years of her life training to be a doctor, who nurtured and supported and healed, saved the world with a story and a key--and Russell took that away, and handed her a gun. I was already finding it hard to hold bits of love--for Ten, for Russell's tenure--to hang onto, before this, because his endings so often undo the good he managed to create; and a lot of that love was centered on my Martha. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Russell just made that even harder. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BREAK ALL THE TOYS, RUSTY?

(edited to add slightly more rage)
A.J. Odassoajodasso on January 4th, 2010 09:33 am (UTC)
Wait - fob her off on Mickey as in pair her off with Mickey?!
tempestsarekind: ten and martha have three hearts betweentempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 09:36 am (UTC)
Yes, exactly that. They got married and are now (or in the future) both freedom fighters or something. We learn all of this in about two lines of dialogue, of course. Why give Martha a relationship one could actually see?
A.J. Odasso: BOOKSLUTajodasso on January 4th, 2010 09:38 am (UTC)
*closes eyes, fingers in ears*

I'm so glad I never got this far. I'm quite happily going to leave Mickey exactly where I left him in that alternate universe - off to save the world with his new future boyfriend trusty newfound companion, Jake.
tempestsarekind: ten has a secrettempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 07:36 pm (UTC)
Which is a pretty good ending for Mickey, all things considered; he gets to be the hero he always was, with someone who will actually acknowledge that (unlike, say, Ten).

The thing about RTD is that he can't leave something alone. He changes his endings simply for the sake of changing them, without stopping (bothering?) to think about whether those changes are good or make any sense.
Gileonnen: *sigh*gileonnen on January 4th, 2010 12:51 pm (UTC)
Yeah--after Children of Earth and 'The Waters of Mars,' I was seriously hopeful about this special thingum. I really should have known better than to trust RTD.
La Reine Noire: Learningslareinenoire on January 4th, 2010 01:38 pm (UTC)
The second part has its worthwhile bits -- any scene with Wilf, really, is a total winner, and several with the Master -- but the plot was sort of meh.

What I found really interesting, actually, was how the Master took the Doctor's winning strategy from the end of S3 (using Martha to tell his story to the entire word) and twisted it to make the entire world hear what he hears in the hope of understanding it. If that had been the fulcrum of the plot, I would have loved it, because the sound of drums is so central to who the Master is; all his energy is devoted to running away from it. His final scenes were wonderful just because of John Simm and David Tennant, because God knows I couldn't quite figure out what was actually happening.

And I don't like Martha/Mickey either -- the only way I've been able to see it is that it takes place quite a long way in the future and that Martha's intended died sometime during Stolen Earth / Journey's End with so many other people and we just didn't hear about it (which is like putting a patch on a GAPING PLOTHOLE, but I've long since accepted the RTD doesn't actually believe in plot continuity).
Gileonnengileonnen on January 4th, 2010 02:37 pm (UTC)
Agreed--with those relatively simple fixes, this could have been a really good special. The cinematography cleared up in the second half, and the Master became more the character I'm used to; now, if only the plot would've followed!
La Reine Noire: Learningslareinenoire on January 4th, 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
The one part of the first half that I loved was the fact that Lucy tried to stop him. I've found her hopelessly fascinating ever since she first appeared (being such an interesting parody of the Doctor's companions).

But I was quite heartbroken by the utter lack of Awesome Donna. Why bring her in at all if you're not going to do anything with her?

All other things aside, though, now Moffatt's in charge, and I've always found him to be the strongest of the Who writers.
tempestsarekind: don't get clever in latin! [donna]tempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 07:45 pm (UTC)
Seriously. If I'd read that Donna's plotline was at all interesting or meaningful, I might have watched the episode after all, even though I basically had less than no interest in the Master after "Last of the Time Lords" and didn't see anything in the mess that was the first part of "The End of Time" to make me reconsider that. But no such luck: I guess RTD brought her back merely to give the Doctor yet one more thing to tragically mope about.
tempestsarekind: keep calm and rock ontempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 07:42 pm (UTC)
the only way I've been able to see it is that it takes place quite a long way in the future

That's the only way it makes ANY sense to me, either. Because otherwise it's like, wait. They're married, and they're freedom fighters, and they are fighting for their freedom from the Sontarans? How does that work? I still don't *like* it (the resistance will still need doctors, Rusty!), but whatever.

And it's the only way I can make sense of the bizarre way they react to seeing Ten, as well--that they're seeing an incarnation of the Doctor whom they know has been gone for quite some time.
stoplookingup: martha shadowstoplookingup on January 4th, 2010 02:53 pm (UTC)
It's amazing how Rusty can actually do damage to a character in about 30 seconds of screentime, isn't it? It seems pretty damn clear at this point that he's become downright careless with the continuity and consistency of Martha's characterization because he's just not invested her.
tempestsarekind: ten and marthatempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 07:32 pm (UTC)
I was actually kind of dumbfounded. It takes some kind of serious anti-gift to pull that off.

His treatment of Martha is so odd; he created her, after all. And if he's tired of the character for whatever reason, why bring her back at all? He'd already done the companion retrospective in "Journey's End," anyway.

(I think "Journey's End" is actually part of my problem with "The End of Time." Does EoT do anything that JE didn't do, except getting Ten to regenerate?)
stoplookingup: Ten possessedstoplookingup on January 4th, 2010 08:17 pm (UTC)
And bringing back the Time Lords. But EoT is basically a retread, yes.
tempestsarekind: world in peril? have some teatempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 08:34 pm (UTC)
I actually managed to forget about that part! Ha.
pink for pterodactyl: dw: dalek invasionsignificantowl on January 4th, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
the only good thing I can say about the ten minute goodbye tour is that by the time it was over, I actually wanted to see Matt Smith on my screen. If Ten had regenerated right away, there in that room with Wilf, I might actually would have got teary eyed, but as it was... so hey, thanks Russell!

(I really liked the Ten'n'Wilf bits of the second special, and the Master finally, finally seeming like the guy I think of him as. But that's Russell all through, isn't it - good moments, seriously problematic big picture.)
tempestsarekind: free radicals and tanninstempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
Yeah--probably not what he was going for there, making the goodbye less painful and affecting instead of more, but hey, it worked! I don't yet know how I feel about Eleven, but I hope for good things. It's too early to tell--the regeneration felt very Tennant-manic, and I hope that's not sticking around too long; he needs to be his own Doctor.

Maybe I'll watch the Wilf bits at some point, and the quiet bits with the Master (I hear there are some). Possibly. When it comes out on DVD and I'm no longer just annoyed by it all.
Constant Reader: doctor who - ?!?!?!skirmish_of_wit on January 4th, 2010 09:24 pm (UTC)
OMG YES. There's a part that I don't think you saw, when Ten thinks his death is imminent, and he spends a few minutes raging about how UNFAIR it is and how HE always has to SACRIFICE to SAVE OTHERS. And meanwhile, WILF'S in mortal peril, WILF! who is AWESOME!, and THAT IS WHO HE IS WHINING ABOUT HAVING TO SACRIFICE HIMSELF TO SAVE.

I just... GAH. I got to the point a long time ago when I was watching Doctor Who just for David Tennant. I don't think anyone else could have made me even the least bit compassionate toward the Doctor after everything that RTD did. But for both of these episodes it was DT vs. the writing, and at the end, even DT couldn't win. I cried at the end, but I cried because I was so upset by the travesty that RTD had made of everything.

I COULD NOT BELIEVE the Martha/Mickey thing. I was just AGHAST. I mean, WHAT.

And of course he had to go back in time to visit Rose, which is SO STUPID and I CANNOT WAIT UNTIL WE GET A DOCTOR NOT OBSESSED WITH ROSE.
tempestsarekind: your strange behavior puzzles marthatempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC)
I READ ABOUT THAT. It was one of the things that made me decide not to watch the whole episode, because--NO. It's one thing not to want to die; it is another thing entirely to be a whiny brat about it. Get over yourself, Time Lord.

for both of these episodes it was DT vs. the writing, and at the end, even DT couldn't win.

So true. He's great, but he's got to have something to work with. I'm still mad that RTD sent Ten, and David, off like that. Ten died pretty much at his worst--and that probably happens in real life, but seriously, isn't the point of the Doctor that he's *better* than that???

Martha/Mickey--I can't even. The only thing it has going for it in terms of writing is that apparently Rusty does that to *everyone*. Rose gets Handy even though he's at least half-Donna and so is a different man than the one she supposedly fell in love with; Jack gets a guest character; Donna gets some dude we know nothing about (oh, except how not-rich he is, sob sob). It's like he doesn't get that relationships involve actual people who should actually know each other, and we should see that process.

As for Rose--I feel like I might have liked that scene, if the last several seasons hadn't played out the way they did. Like, if Rose had actually been *gone* all this time.
Constant Reader: Doctor Who - WTFskirmish_of_wit on January 4th, 2010 10:07 pm (UTC)
Yes. Yes yes yes. GAH.

Now I will hope that Rex Is Not Your Lawyer gets picked up and turns out to be good. I might try out Eleven, but I'm not going to go out of my way to keep up. I know that's unfair, since it's hardly Moffat or Matt Smith's fault that RTD is ridiculous. But RTD managed to turn me off of anything having to do with the Doctor.

Maybe I'll go watch City of Death again. I do love Romana.
tempestsarekind: bananas are goodtempestsarekind on January 4th, 2010 11:22 pm (UTC)
If nothing else, I want to hear David Tennant try an American accent!

I plan on watching Eleven, and I want to give him a chance (especially since I came in with Nine, and spent a whole season thinking Nine would always be *my* Doctor, even though I liked Ten). But I know what you mean--right now I just can't quite muster up any enthusiasm, because it feels like everything's broken, even though that's not Moffat's fault. Maybe as S5 gets closer, and isn't just in prospective, my feelings will change...
Neaneadods on January 6th, 2010 01:30 am (UTC)
If nothing else, I want to hear David Tennant try an American accent!

He does it in a couple of the audios he's done. He's no Hugh Laurie and will *not* be able to pass as American unless he's taken a bunch of classes.

I keep reading EoT commentaries, but I've got little to say at this point - RTD broke as many toys as he could, and I'm so glad to see the back of the Emo Lord of Emonifry that I don't even miss David Tennant. Bring on the Matt! Matt looks like loads of fun!
tempestsarekind: all the world's a stagetempestsarekind on January 6th, 2010 01:40 am (UTC)
Well, then I hope he takes the classes. :)

That's probably the thing I'm most upset about--I love David Tennant, and I even loved Ten despite my many frustrations with him: I should have been sad to see them both go, and the finale made that impossible for me.

So yeah. I miss fun! Bring us some fun, Moffat!
Neaneadods on January 6th, 2010 03:14 am (UTC)
I should have been sad to see them both go, and the finale made that impossible for me.


In the meantime, if you have a chance, go get The Beasts of Clawstone Castle, a David-told children's book, wherein he plays an American among other roles. It's a ton of fun, and although he doesn't pass, he's actually pretty adequate... at least until he mangles "Potomac."
tempestsarekind: david tennant is pleased and surprisedtempestsarekind on January 6th, 2010 04:10 pm (UTC)
Hee! I'll give him a pass on "Potomac," since even little Amy March can't pronounce it in the most recent film of Little Women. (And because I'm sure I've mangled a British place name or two!) I'll have to keep an eye out for that audiobook, though!
Neaneadods on January 6th, 2010 11:55 pm (UTC)
since even little Amy March can't pronounce it in the most recent film of Little Women.

Oh, that is SAD!

It's a fun one; I listen to it again every 6 months or so just to laugh at his voices. His little old lady gives me the giggles every time.
tempestsarekind: little womentempestsarekind on January 7th, 2010 12:21 am (UTC)
Well, it is on purpose in the script: she's reading one of their father's letters aloud and stumbles on the word; Marmee corrects her and then reads the rest of the letter. It's not an actor's fumble, which would be rather distracting--this way, it's just cute. :)

Even David-as-Edgar (from King Lear) makes me giggle in parts; I suppose David-as-little-old-lady must be quite funny indeed!
Neaneadods on January 7th, 2010 01:26 am (UTC)
I would love so much for him to do an audio of an old book called Sir Machinery. He'd be so perfect for that modernized Merlin story!
tempestsarekind: books and flowerstempestsarekind on January 8th, 2010 07:47 pm (UTC)
I'd never heard of that book before, but I looked it up online; it sounds really interesting!
Neaneadods on January 9th, 2010 12:22 am (UTC)
I haven't read it for a while; it may not have held up over time, but I remember it as utterly charming, and Scottish to boot. David would make a feast of it.